> So you're not really arguing against ACLs, you're complaining that
> userspace is broken when there's shared write access. That's fine,
> userspace should be fixed, inclusion of ACLs into the kernel shouldn't
> be denied because of this. ACLs should be optional, of course, and if
> you want them some really noisy warnings about the problems of shared
> writeable area with current userspace tools. Of course, that same
> warning should probably be included in 'groupadd'.
No. I'm saying that ACLs do not have a point until at least basic
userland gets ready for setups people want ACLs for. Adding features that
can't be used until $BIG_WORK is done is idiocy in the best case and
danger in the worst. Especially since $BIG_WORK does not depend on these
features.
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