Re: [PATCH] Futexes IV (Fast Lightweight Userspace Semaphores)

[Peter Wächtler]

Martin Wirth wrote:

> 
> Rusty Russell wrote:
> 
>>
>> Discussions with Ulrich have reaffirmed my opinion that pthreads are
>> crap.  Hence I'm not all that tempted to warp the (nice, clean,
>> usable) futex code too far to meet pthreads' wierd needs.
>>
> Crap or not, there are tons of software based on pthreads and at least 
> the NGPT team says that Linus
> agreed to implement for necessary kernel-infrastructure for a full, fast 
> pthread implementation.
> 
> Now, if you want to implement mutexes and condition variables with the 
> attribute
> PTHREAD_PROCESS_SHARED then you need some functionality like the futexes.
> Or NGPT will add his own syscalls to handle these things, which is simply
> unnecessary double functionality.
> 

I think the "crap" refers to current missing meatures of linuxthreads
(most notable: PTHREAD_PROCESS_SHARED on cond and mutex, don't know about sema)

BTW, NGPT introduces two new syscalls: gettid and tkill

>>
>> However, it's not too hard to implement condition variables using an
>> unavailable mutex, if we go for "full" semaphores: ie. not just
>> mutexes.  It requires a bit more of a stretch for kernel atomic ops...
>>
> A full semaphore is nice, but not a full replacement for a waitqueue (or 
> a pthread condition variable brr..).
> For the semaphore you always have to assure that the ups and downs are 
> balanced, what is not the case
> for the condition variable.
> 

also remember pthread_cond_broadcast - waking up _all_ waiting threads.
If the woken up threads check their condition and go to sleep again, is
up to them ( read: the standard mandates that _all_ get woken up)

pthread_cond_signal notifies _one_ thread - which one depends on implementation
( I would like to see a priority based decision )