Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers

[William Scott Lockwood III]

again, if you all would spend 1/10th of your time helping as opposed to just
slaming it, I'd be impressed.  CML2 makes a WORLD of difference for me
personally.  But hey, what do I know?  I'm just a network administrator, I'm
not a kernel wizard, so feel free to just totally disregard my opinions...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry McVoy" <[e-mail]>
To: "William Scott Lockwood III" <[e-mail]>
Cc: "Alexander Viro" <[e-mail]>; "Eric S. Raymond"
<[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers

> On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 07:14:17PM -0600, William Scott Lockwood III
wrote:
> > Here's an idea Al:  Put up, or shut up.  Where's your code to replace
CML1
> > with?  I like Eric's system, and find it's MUCH more useful in a
production
> > environment than CML1 was.  Where's your replacement idea?
>
> I think Al's work on the kernel speaks for itself.  He's been putting up
> just fine, thank you.  And I think you're looking in the wrong place,
> Al has expressed no interest (that I'm aware of) in rewriting this code.
> As a user of the new system, a pretty typical user, his opinion counts.
>
> I don't think that you're really getting the point.  Nobody is saying that
> CML1 is the greatest thing since sliced bread.  What they are saying is
that
> it seems to work pretty well, yes it could be better, but CML2 isn't
shaping
> up to be an improvement so much as a Eric Raymond Language exercise.
Noone
> begrudges Eric his right to come up with as many little languages as he
wants.
> But when he asks the kernel developers to use them, he'd better be
prepared
> to hear each and every thing they find wanting, and address the majority
of
> those issues.  That hasn't happened.  Instead, there have been a lot of
> flame wars, politics, protests about Linus, etc.
> --
> ---
> Larry McVoy            lm at bitmover.com
http://www.bitmover.com/lm
>