Maxwell strikes the heart (ECN: Clearing the air)
Pete Zaitcev (zaitcev@metabyte.com)
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:55:19 -0800
> From: Gregory Maxwell (greg@linuxpower.cx)
> Date: Sun Jan 28 2001 - 14:42:04 EST
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 01:29:52PM +0000, James Sutherland wrote:
> > > There is nothing silly with the decision, davem is simply a modern day
> > > internet hero.
> >
> > No. If it were something essential, perhaps, but it's just a minor
> > performance tweak to cut packet loss over congested links. It's not
> > IPv6. It's not PMTU. It's not even very useful right now!
>
> No. ECN is essential to the continued stability of the Internet. Without
> probabilistic queuing (i.e. RED) and ECN the Internet will continue to have
> retransmit synchronization and once congested stay congested until people get
> frustrated and give it up for a little bit.
>
> It's a real issue, and it's actually important to have it implemented. It's
> not just a performance hack.
I always "knew" that the stability of the Internet is secured by the
exponential backoff in TCP. A small packet loss on uncongested links
is a part of this technique, and it existed long before ATM studies
produced RED (which infiltrated backwards). It also requires sending
stacks to "give up for a little bit" (actually to give up a lot, and
together with the slow start it produced the well known "saw" of the
window size).
So far I fail to see how a repainted NAK, kludged into a NAKless protocol,
would improve stability of the Internet. If anything, it is going to
exaggerate traffic oscillations. I would appreciate couple of links
to reputable studies or discussions on the subject.
-- Pete
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